Equity issues in inital vocational education & training

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18 February 2011
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This topic raises the issue of equity and its various manifestations in vocational education and training (VET).



One major challenge for the national VET systems is to ensure that opportunities, access and outcomes are independent of the socio-economic background and other factors that lead to educational disadvantage of VET students and that their treatment reflects their specific learning needs.

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20 February 2011
Let's focus on some basic questions regarding equity in vocational education and training
This discussion has been initiated by the work in progress undertaken in the context of the FARE project (see http://fare.iacm.forth.gr/proj...).
We would greatly appreciate to reflect upon and contribute to the discussion in this topic on the basis of the following questions:
a) Our analysis of the PISA 2009 student raw data from 11 European countries show that 15 year olds in vocational programmes and schools tend to come from families that are of much lower socio-economic and cultural status as compared to the families of those who choose academically oriented programmes and schools [1]. What might be the implications of such a pattern regarding equity in opportunities, treatment and outcomes of VET students as compared to general orientation students?
b) The same PISA 2009 analysis shows that in most of the countries general orientation students on average perform much higher than vocational orientation students in reading, mathematics and science. How VET schools and teachers can deal successfully with educational disadvantages of their students created at earlier stages of their school life?
c) Do VET schools (re)produce gender segregation in prospective careers, by orienting boys predominantly to blue collar specialties and girls predominantly to white collar specialties?
Please try to reflect upon the questions and contribute to the discussion having in mind what is the situation in your country.
[1] Available at e-Demos portal:

http://e-demos.iacm.forth.gr/i... (1.2 Mb)
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21 February 2011
Fine tuning
The survey I am referring to was done in the framework of the FARE project. In German VET schools the situation is different from what you say Andreas: the usual clientele was supplemented by graduates from the secondary II school. These students have "Abitur", they won't or cannot attend university so they decide on the following strategy: graduate from VET school, having the option for a job and not loosing the possibility to study, so pushing their carees.

This is causing a lot of problems for German VET schools creating very heterogenous classes and leading to a new phenomena: crowding -out of the other Vet students. Vet schools or education authorities haven't yet found a strategy to deal with it. This is an additional disadvantage for some of the VET students coming out of learning environments not facilitating learning.
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22 February 2011
@ Krista 1: The situation in Germany
So what you find as particularly problematic with secondary education vocational orientation programmes in Germany regarding equity issues is that it attracts students that already have got their Abitur, that is their upper secondary leaving certificate from the academically oriented Gymnasium, and then enroll to a VET school. This trend affects the classroom composition because these students mix with another group which has been directed to VET because of low academic expectations or perfomance? If I got it right, what is the implication regarding for example equity of treatment or outputs at school level?
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22 February 2011
No Equity problem?
Well, Andreas, certainly for the students coming with Abitur to the VET school this is an advantage. The other students, often students who do have learning difficulties or are coming out of underprivileged families this is a double inequality. Often those students didn't get the support they need beforehead and suddenly their problems in lessons are growing because the level of taught content is adjusted to the learning abilities of the students with Abitur. So the underpriviledged students get lower marks and have more difficulties in finding a jiob with theses marks as their more privileged classmates. (Who, by the way are bored in lessons because they are unchallenged)

The indicators for performance, the methods of ajdusting content to the appropriate learning level are not yet developed, or re-discovered -. This problem is well known from small schools, the so called: "One-Class school" and thus confronting us with a well known method: Internal differentiation, wiht all the strenghts and weaknesses that this methodes includes.

What do you think - is this helping in regard to equal treatment, equal opportunities?
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01 March 2011
Equity issues in VET classrooms because of gaps in performance among different groups of students...
Dear Christa, in Greece VET schools are also attracting three widely different groups of students: a) a minority who has aspirations to proceed to the tertiary education level in a vocational specialty and is dedicated to learning, b) a large group of students who want to get some specialty training and a vocational qualification with no particular interest in doing well in the academic subjects taught at VET schools, and c) another group of students who are not really interested in school learning because their families run a small business and therefore they feel that their future does not really correlates to how well they do at school. This situation implies that VET schools and teachers have to work with classes of students with very different aspirations, motives and prior academic performance.
The above diversity has major implications regarding equity issues within and between VET schools. Some schools or teachers who insist on excellence focus their efforts to raise the academic performance of those who are already motivated learners and pay little attention to those who are low performers or have no aspirations of participating to the national exams leading to a university. This approach, which is not always explicitly stated or reflected upon in a systematic way at school level, can lead to the creation of huge discrepancies in school performance between the high and the low achievers for the benefit of a small minority of high achievers. On the other hand, VET schools and teachers who are neglecting the needs of the high achievers to serve the needs of the majority, that is the low achievers, run several risks. A major one is that they have to stop following the commonly fast pace which the centrally defined curricula and timetables sets to all schools in Greece. Such a decision is not acceptable by the central education authorities on the grounds that it can potentially create VET schools for the “bad” and schools for the “good” students. As usual, at central policy level there is hesitation to recognise that there are serious problems with many students' performance in VET schools, probably because they will have to take a large part of the blame for not doing anything for so long.
In any case, I believe that huge gaps in students' performance are created and become almost irreversible during the early school years, that is, during pre-primary, primary and lower secondary education years. It is really sad that even in developed economies which have achieved very high enrolment rates in compulsory education, so many pupils fail to become literate in the very basis sense of this notion, and for so many pupils their failure is so strongly related to the socio-economic background of their parents…
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03 March 2011
Is change possible?
Dear Andreas,

thank you for the interesting answer.

Well, there are not that very much differences to the situation here in Germany. Such a "three tier system" as you tell about the situation at the VET schools in Greece can be seen in Germany as well. The reasons for that kind of ecducational behaviour may differ, but the situation for the teachers is very much the same: how shall they involve everybody in the lessons, how can they motivate students who just don't see any reasons to strain themselves with matters which they don't see to be related to their own life.

At this point I have a feeling of déjà vue: this situation seems to be a continous factor of education, doesn't it? I just feel myself being dragged back to my own school days and can really hear my teachers in my class mourning and scolding....

What do you think .- has nothing really changed? Will something change?

You are right, how can technical highly developed countries like ours afford such kind of waste of possible potential? But on the other hand the question can be posed vice versa - how did they manager to get there - taken in account the waste that is happening all the way? Will demographic changes trigger a change? Or will there just be a shift?Oor do we have to change to another field and level of action and research?

Looking forward to hearing from you
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03 March 2011
In additon
Dear Andreas,

I just found an interesting diploma graduation which I am sorry to say is only given in German. I will add the link. I think this is very interesting contribution to our debate:

it's about the highly talented underachiever at VET schools, which leads us to such questions as e.g.:"What is to be seen as intelligence", "What are the influencing factors for developing intelligence" etc.

Here is the link: http://www.wipaed.unimainz.de/...
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29 March 2011
dealing with the academic disadvantages in VET
In Spain vocational education still lacks prestige, many time because the academic part of the curriculum is neglected. One possible way to deal with the academic disadvantages that many students have when they enter VET programmes is for the school to reinforce by offering remedial courses in subjects that students may be deficient in, thus limiting their options of further studies and job possibilities, such as reading and writing and maths and computer literacy. These courses can be presented to students in such a way that they can see the value, even the necessity, of them for their future work success. It can be made clear that some vocational studies are particularly dependent on certain competencies which the student may lack. These courses can be taught in tandem with the VET courses and all students can be counselled to help them make a study plan that is realistic in the context of their life and interests. These courses should be focused on the basics to ensure that the students can handle the subject matter they are studying, but also more advanced courses should be available in order that they not be limited in achieving any goals they may have. If students come into VET programmes with low estimations of their own worth and capabilities academically, these remedial courses, presented in a positive and encouraging way, can serve to give them more confidence as they discover that they are, indeed, capable of achieving more than they have in the past and more than they may have thought they were capable of. Of course, this all means that the teachers must be very aware and sensitive to such students' possible insecurities and doubts concerning their abilities, and the course material must be presented in a non-threatening way with maximum support to ensure that the students do not give up too quickly. They should be helped to see themselves as students in a way that they may never have before, and this can change everything--their performance in the VET courses, their expectations, their teachers' attitudes toward them, and their goals. No one should think of VET students as somehow inferior to other types of students. VET schools and programmes should have very good reputations in their communities, respected by everyone, including those in the workplace who may be hiring them.
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06 April 2011
VET teacher and their self-assessment
In Germany we have quite the same situation, referring to a survey done within the FARE project. One of the problems we have in appriciation of the valuable contributions VET schools give to the education and training is that VET schools are publicly seen as a sort of "school for the rest" - but the more important point is that the VET teachers join in this public image. They often see themselves as a sort of "second class" teachers and act accordingly. Education works: if the students realize this image they oblige to it. This constructs a self-fulfilling circle.
It is not easy to put this to an end or to interrupt it because it is not an intra-phenomenon , coming from inside the school but it has very deep societal roots. As changing a societal system seems a bit too utopian - good practice in Germany nevertheless shows that small steps, including regional or local networks of VET schools, companies, training institutions and politicians can make a big difference. If those examples turn out to be successful, it turns on the self-fulfilling circle the other way round: like: yes, we can do it!